Is Europe on the Verge of a Double Dip?

As austerity sets in on the periphery of Europe mainly (thanks in large part to the flawed currency system) there are increasing risks that a double dip could develop.  Of course, many of these nations remain mired in deep recessions or depressions and the recent bailout packages all involve harsh austerity measures that will certainly keep them on their knees for years to come.  As the problems in Portugal, Spain and Italy evolve there is the potential for even greater austerity and forced pain in the EMU. Meanwhile, the core nations have largely recovered, however, there are signs of weakness.

In a recent strategy note the always excellent Michael Darda, Chief Economist of MKM Partners detailed the reasons why he is becoming increasingly concerned about a Eurozone double dip:

Warren Mosler, Founder and Principal, III Offshore Advisors, elaborated on the Darda commentary:

“No question austerity will work – that is, it will force negative growth.  Question is just when.  Unless they make fiscal adjustments, but that seems unlikely.

I'm starting to feel a deflationary malaise coming on as the end of year/beginning of new year related activity subsides.

Headline CPI increases to me are mainly just relative value shifts that rob demand for other things, and are not anywhere near pushing through to core measures which would pass them on to indexed compensation.

But the talk of inflation is just one more thing keeping global authorities thinking they don't need another "?fiscal stimulus' as they continue to push spending cuts and "?fiscal responsibility'.

Housing going nowhere. Jobs going nowhere as GDP growth only marginally exceeds productivity growth.

Financial sector finding it hard to make a buck as loan demand remains weak and competition is driving down net interest margins and spreads in general. (I'm thinking of holding a walkathon to help them out. Anyone want to kick in a few cents a mile?)”

The world is at an interesting stage of economic growth currently.  The United States has done just enough to muddle through and generate positive economic growth though not enough to substantially close the output gap and get the country anywhere close to full employment.  China and much of Asia, on the other hand, initiated severely misguided fiscal packages during the 2008 downturn that now appear to be substantially contributing to their inflation woes and potential overheating.  Europe, on the other hand, has been mixed with the core benefiting largely at the expense of the periphery.  Austerity measures on the periphery are creating deep economic holes and the potential is for the problems to worsen as the likelihood for aid in Portugal, Spain and Italy increases in the coming months and years and only worsens the austerity virus.  Europe remains a divided economy with the core recovering and the periphery still in recession.  If the problems in the periphery worsen or even fail to improve there is an increasing likelihood that the growth on the core will weaken and Darda’s concerns will come to fruition.

Source: MKM Partners ——————————————————————————————————————————————————

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China’s overheating, Europe is slowing and America is bumbling along. Is that enough to just maintain the status quo and continue the growth in stocks that we continue to see? At what point does it just hit a wall?

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:12 AM boatman

darda is very interesting to watch with his day old stubble and godfather tone.

i’m counting on big EUR problems.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:59 AM JH

Europe's problems, much like the US, have less to do with it’s often blamed monetary system and much more to do with it’s eroding employment situation. I am old enough to remember when the streets of the US and the world were traveled by many MG’s Triumphs, Jaguars, Fiats, Morris, Renaults, and British motorcycles. You see none of that anymore. Likewise you see fewer and fewer made in America products. You cannot maintain a prosperous economy without producing products for export. Big business is getting uber wealthy exploiting third world labor at the costs of American and European jobs. The constant mantra of wealth thru credit is idiotic propaganda that has ruined the economies of both continents and threatens to enslave its inhabitants under the “company store” economic model.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:09 AM FDO15

Those jobs are gone. They are not coming back. Americans like cheap crap and US companies give it to them by arbitraging the labor away. That’s that.

America and Europe’s problem is that they have become too dependent on the FIRE industries for growth. And now that those industries have tanked there is no real growth. And what do the politicians do? They try to revive those industries. So now we get to take another ride on the merry go round of hell.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:54 AM JH

The FIRE industries were manufactured to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base. The FIRE industries were manufactured in order to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base without public outcry. The FIRE industry cannot exist without the lax lending and interest rate environment created by the same interests who are benefiting from the low manufacturing cost high profit retail trade. This could all be turned around with trade and tax policies, in the same way Germany protects its manufacturing base. Although that would require pressure from and informed public. Unfortunately, the American public is incapable of joining together in its own interest. The truth is, they are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:36 AM boatman

u got it FDO

Reply 01/20/2011 at 12:29 PM tradeking13

I’m still waiting for Darda’s V-shaped recovery in the US.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:06 AM Cullen Roche

You’ve gotta admit though – he called it better than most. I recall him being bearish in 2008 and quite bullish in 2009.

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China’s overheating, Europe is slowing and America is bumbling along. Is that enough to just maintain the status quo and continue the growth in stocks that we continue to see? At what point does it just hit a wall?

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:12 AM boatman

darda is very interesting to watch with his day old stubble and godfather tone.

i’m counting on big EUR problems.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:59 AM JH

Europe's problems, much like the US, have less to do with it’s often blamed monetary system and much more to do with it’s eroding employment situation. I am old enough to remember when the streets of the US and the world were traveled by many MG’s Triumphs, Jaguars, Fiats, Morris, Renaults, and British motorcycles. You see none of that anymore. Likewise you see fewer and fewer made in America products. You cannot maintain a prosperous economy without producing products for export. Big business is getting uber wealthy exploiting third world labor at the costs of American and European jobs. The constant mantra of wealth thru credit is idiotic propaganda that has ruined the economies of both continents and threatens to enslave its inhabitants under the “company store” economic model.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:09 AM FDO15

Those jobs are gone. They are not coming back. Americans like cheap crap and US companies give it to them by arbitraging the labor away. That’s that.

America and Europe’s problem is that they have become too dependent on the FIRE industries for growth. And now that those industries have tanked there is no real growth. And what do the politicians do? They try to revive those industries. So now we get to take another ride on the merry go round of hell.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:54 AM JH

The FIRE industries were manufactured to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base. The FIRE industries were manufactured in order to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base without public outcry. The FIRE industry cannot exist without the lax lending and interest rate environment created by the same interests who are benefiting from the low manufacturing cost high profit retail trade. This could all be turned around with trade and tax policies, in the same way Germany protects its manufacturing base. Although that would require pressure from and informed public. Unfortunately, the American public is incapable of joining together in its own interest. The truth is, they are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:36 AM boatman

u got it FDO

Reply 01/20/2011 at 12:29 PM tradeking13

I’m still waiting for Darda’s V-shaped recovery in the US.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:06 AM Cullen Roche

You’ve gotta admit though – he called it better than most. I recall him being bearish in 2008 and quite bullish in 2009.

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China’s overheating, Europe is slowing and America is bumbling along. Is that enough to just maintain the status quo and continue the growth in stocks that we continue to see? At what point does it just hit a wall?

darda is very interesting to watch with his day old stubble and godfather tone.

i’m counting on big EUR problems.

Europe's problems, much like the US, have less to do with it’s often blamed monetary system and much more to do with it’s eroding employment situation. I am old enough to remember when the streets of the US and the world were traveled by many MG’s Triumphs, Jaguars, Fiats, Morris, Renaults, and British motorcycles. You see none of that anymore. Likewise you see fewer and fewer made in America products. You cannot maintain a prosperous economy without producing products for export. Big business is getting uber wealthy exploiting third world labor at the costs of American and European jobs. The constant mantra of wealth thru credit is idiotic propaganda that has ruined the economies of both continents and threatens to enslave its inhabitants under the “company store” economic model.

Those jobs are gone. They are not coming back. Americans like cheap crap and US companies give it to them by arbitraging the labor away. That’s that.

America and Europe’s problem is that they have become too dependent on the FIRE industries for growth. And now that those industries have tanked there is no real growth. And what do the politicians do? They try to revive those industries. So now we get to take another ride on the merry go round of hell.

The FIRE industries were manufactured to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base. The FIRE industries were manufactured in order to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base without public outcry. The FIRE industry cannot exist without the lax lending and interest rate environment created by the same interests who are benefiting from the low manufacturing cost high profit retail trade. This could all be turned around with trade and tax policies, in the same way Germany protects its manufacturing base. Although that would require pressure from and informed public. Unfortunately, the American public is incapable of joining together in its own interest. The truth is, they are as dumb as a box of rocks.

u got it FDO

I’m still waiting for Darda’s V-shaped recovery in the US.

You’ve gotta admit though – he called it better than most. I recall him being bearish in 2008 and quite bullish in 2009.

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As austerity sets in on the periphery of Europe mainly (thanks in large part to the flawed currency system) there are increasing risks that a double dip could develop.  Of course, many of these nations remain mired in deep recessions or depressions and the recent bailout packages all involve harsh austerity measures that will certainly keep them on their knees for years to come.  As the problems in Portugal, Spain and Italy evolve there is the potential for even greater austerity and forced pain in the EMU. Meanwhile, the core nations have largely recovered, however, there are signs of weakness.

In a recent strategy note the always excellent Michael Darda, Chief Economist of MKM Partners detailed the reasons why he is becoming increasingly concerned about a Eurozone double dip:

Warren Mosler, Founder and Principal, III Offshore Advisors, elaborated on the Darda commentary:

“No question austerity will work – that is, it will force negative growth.  Question is just when.  Unless they make fiscal adjustments, but that seems unlikely.

I'm starting to feel a deflationary malaise coming on as the end of year/beginning of new year related activity subsides.

Headline CPI increases to me are mainly just relative value shifts that rob demand for other things, and are not anywhere near pushing through to core measures which would pass them on to indexed compensation.

But the talk of inflation is just one more thing keeping global authorities thinking they don't need another "?fiscal stimulus' as they continue to push spending cuts and "?fiscal responsibility'.

Housing going nowhere. Jobs going nowhere as GDP growth only marginally exceeds productivity growth.

Financial sector finding it hard to make a buck as loan demand remains weak and competition is driving down net interest margins and spreads in general. (I'm thinking of holding a walkathon to help them out. Anyone want to kick in a few cents a mile?)”

The world is at an interesting stage of economic growth currently.  The United States has done just enough to muddle through and generate positive economic growth though not enough to substantially close the output gap and get the country anywhere close to full employment.  China and much of Asia, on the other hand, initiated severely misguided fiscal packages during the 2008 downturn that now appear to be substantially contributing to their inflation woes and potential overheating.  Europe, on the other hand, has been mixed with the core benefiting largely at the expense of the periphery.  Austerity measures on the periphery are creating deep economic holes and the potential is for the problems to worsen as the likelihood for aid in Portugal, Spain and Italy increases in the coming months and years and only worsens the austerity virus.  Europe remains a divided economy with the core recovering and the periphery still in recession.  If the problems in the periphery worsen or even fail to improve there is an increasing likelihood that the growth on the core will weaken and Darda’s concerns will come to fruition.

Source: MKM Partners ——————————————————————————————————————————————————

The content on this site is provided as general information only and should not be taken as investment advice. All site content shall not be construed as a recommendation to buy or sell any security or financial product, or to participate in any particular trading or investment strategy. The ideas expressed on this site are solely the opinions of the author(s) and do not necessarily represent the opinions of firms affiliated with the author(s). The opinions of all guest authors or contributors can and will differ from those of Mr. Roche. These opinions do not necessarily represent the opinions or investment decisions of Mr. Roche. The author(s) may or may not have a position in any security referenced herein and may or may not seek to do business with one another or companies mentioned via this website. Any action that you take as a result of information or analysis on this site is ultimately your responsibility. Consult your investment adviser before making any investment decisions.

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China’s overheating, Europe is slowing and America is bumbling along. Is that enough to just maintain the status quo and continue the growth in stocks that we continue to see? At what point does it just hit a wall?

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:12 AM boatman

darda is very interesting to watch with his day old stubble and godfather tone.

i’m counting on big EUR problems.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:59 AM JH

Europe's problems, much like the US, have less to do with it’s often blamed monetary system and much more to do with it’s eroding employment situation. I am old enough to remember when the streets of the US and the world were traveled by many MG’s Triumphs, Jaguars, Fiats, Morris, Renaults, and British motorcycles. You see none of that anymore. Likewise you see fewer and fewer made in America products. You cannot maintain a prosperous economy without producing products for export. Big business is getting uber wealthy exploiting third world labor at the costs of American and European jobs. The constant mantra of wealth thru credit is idiotic propaganda that has ruined the economies of both continents and threatens to enslave its inhabitants under the “company store” economic model.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:09 AM FDO15

Those jobs are gone. They are not coming back. Americans like cheap crap and US companies give it to them by arbitraging the labor away. That’s that.

America and Europe’s problem is that they have become too dependent on the FIRE industries for growth. And now that those industries have tanked there is no real growth. And what do the politicians do? They try to revive those industries. So now we get to take another ride on the merry go round of hell.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:54 AM JH

The FIRE industries were manufactured to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base. The FIRE industries were manufactured in order to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base without public outcry. The FIRE industry cannot exist without the lax lending and interest rate environment created by the same interests who are benefiting from the low manufacturing cost high profit retail trade. This could all be turned around with trade and tax policies, in the same way Germany protects its manufacturing base. Although that would require pressure from and informed public. Unfortunately, the American public is incapable of joining together in its own interest. The truth is, they are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:36 AM boatman

u got it FDO

Reply 01/20/2011 at 12:29 PM tradeking13

I’m still waiting for Darda’s V-shaped recovery in the US.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:06 AM Cullen Roche

You’ve gotta admit though – he called it better than most. I recall him being bearish in 2008 and quite bullish in 2009.

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China’s overheating, Europe is slowing and America is bumbling along. Is that enough to just maintain the status quo and continue the growth in stocks that we continue to see? At what point does it just hit a wall?

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:12 AM boatman

darda is very interesting to watch with his day old stubble and godfather tone.

i’m counting on big EUR problems.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 7:59 AM JH

Europe's problems, much like the US, have less to do with it’s often blamed monetary system and much more to do with it’s eroding employment situation. I am old enough to remember when the streets of the US and the world were traveled by many MG’s Triumphs, Jaguars, Fiats, Morris, Renaults, and British motorcycles. You see none of that anymore. Likewise you see fewer and fewer made in America products. You cannot maintain a prosperous economy without producing products for export. Big business is getting uber wealthy exploiting third world labor at the costs of American and European jobs. The constant mantra of wealth thru credit is idiotic propaganda that has ruined the economies of both continents and threatens to enslave its inhabitants under the “company store” economic model.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:09 AM FDO15

Those jobs are gone. They are not coming back. Americans like cheap crap and US companies give it to them by arbitraging the labor away. That’s that.

America and Europe’s problem is that they have become too dependent on the FIRE industries for growth. And now that those industries have tanked there is no real growth. And what do the politicians do? They try to revive those industries. So now we get to take another ride on the merry go round of hell.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 9:54 AM JH

The FIRE industries were manufactured to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base. The FIRE industries were manufactured in order to allow the exportation of the manufacturing jobs base without public outcry. The FIRE industry cannot exist without the lax lending and interest rate environment created by the same interests who are benefiting from the low manufacturing cost high profit retail trade. This could all be turned around with trade and tax policies, in the same way Germany protects its manufacturing base. Although that would require pressure from and informed public. Unfortunately, the American public is incapable of joining together in its own interest. The truth is, they are as dumb as a box of rocks.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:36 AM boatman

u got it FDO

Reply 01/20/2011 at 12:29 PM tradeking13

I’m still waiting for Darda’s V-shaped recovery in the US.

Reply 01/20/2011 at 10:06 AM Cullen Roche

You’ve gotta admit though – he called it better than most. I recall him being bearish in 2008 and quite bullish in 2009.

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China’s overheating, Europe is slowing and America is bumbling along. Is that enough to just maintain the status quo and continue the growth in stocks that we continue to see? At what point does it just hit a wall?

darda is very interesting to watch with his day old stubble and godfather tone.

i’m counting on big EUR problems.

Europe's problems, much like the US, have less to do with it’s often blamed monetary system and much more to do with it’s eroding employment situation. I am old enough to remember when the streets of the US and the world were traveled by many MG’s Triumphs, Jaguars, Fiats, Morris, Renaults, and British motorcycles. You see none of that anymore. Likewise you see fewer and fewer made in America products. You cannot maintain a prosperous economy without producing products for export. Big business is getting uber wealthy exploiting third world labor at the costs of American and European jobs. The constant mantra of wealth thru credit is idiotic propaganda that has ruined the economies of both continents and threatens to enslave its inhabitants under the “company store” economic model.

Those jobs are gone. They are not coming back. Americans like cheap crap and US companies give it to them by arbitraging the labor away. That’s that.

America and Europe’s problem is that they have become too dependent on the FIRE industries for growth. And now that those industries have tanked there is no real growth. And what do the politicians do? They try to revive those industries. So now we get to take another ride on the merry go round of hell.

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